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December 4[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

In Cameroon#History, it says (2nd paragraph) "Portuguese sailors reached the coast in 100000000000000 B.C.", but the edit part has it as "in 1472." The article history also doesn't show it in the most recent version. Is someting missing in history? Smarkflea (talk) 01:08, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

The history shows the vandalism was reverted the next minute.[༡] Articles sometimes have to be purged to display the most recent version. The problem disappeared when I purged it. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:20, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. How did you purge it? Smarkflea (talk) 01:37, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

My link on "purged" shows different ways to do it although my way isn't actually listed there. I have enabled Add a "Purge" tab to the top of the page, which purges the page's cache when followed at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:50, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Or, probably the quickest way is to append ?action=purge to the URL to purge that page. ~HueSatLum 03:55, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Putting in HTML notes[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

I want to put in HTML notes (the type only visible in source editing) in an article I'm working on so I can put page numbers in case I change the citation system later (which doesn't currently have them). How do I go about doing that? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 1 Tevet 5774 03:01, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Help:Wiki_markup#Invisible_text_.28comments.29 and Help:Hidden text - Purplewowies (talk) 03:27, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Cheers. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 1 Tevet 5774 03:33, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

How to permanently remove a deleted page[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]


I had created a page last week at this link Tony Hsu Due to some reasons it was deleted. I would now like to permanently remove it from wiki, so that no users searching for 'Tony Hsu' gets directed to this page

Please advise

Regards Ranjeeta — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ranjeeta7 (talkcontribs) 09:16, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

The page has been removed. However, it can take several days, even weeks, for search engines such as Google to catch up with that fact. Once they do, it will no longer appear in their search results. Yunshui  10:34, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

How di I make a new word fir a priduct in R&D right now?? Help !!!! Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nholder78 (talkcontribs) 10:25, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

A product that has not yet entered production is unlikely to meet Wikipedia's inclusion requirements, which require substantial coverage in multiple, reliable, independent sources. What is the product that you wish to write about? Yunshui  10:33, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

What are the numbers in brackets on submissions page[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

I have an article in submission process.

What do the brackets with numbers in represent after the (diff|history) brackets

See example below:

15:39, 26 November 2013 (diff | hist) . . (-9)‎ . . m Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/xxxxxx — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anstutim (talkcontribs)

That represents how much content was added or removed. "-9" means that nine characters (including spaces) were removed, as you can see here. Equally, you have one that is "+604", which means 604 characters were added, here. — Richard BB 13:08, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
To add to this, it's an overall change in characters, so if I added 10 characters but removed 5 elsewhere in the arrticle it would still show up as +5. Samwalton9 (talk) 13:10, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Are you sure it's counting characters rather than bytes? I've always thought it was the change in page size in bytes. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:23, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Yes, it is bytes, see Wikipedia:Added or removed characters. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:28, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
So it is, my bad, I assumed it was characters since it usually is! Samwalton9 (talk) 11:13, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Is PolyEdit Lite still under development? I don't see much activity since 2010. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:00, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

I assume that your question isn't about the Wikipedia page PolyEdit, but about the program itself? In which case the question belongs not here but at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:10, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost has not been published?[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

I always look forward to the weekly wp:Signpost, but now I can only find the one from November 20, 2013. Will it show up eventually? Just curious. XOttawahitech (talk) 16:23, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

It's being worked on at the signpost newsroom but hasn't been released yet. RJFJR (talk) 17:35, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
The Signpost is out, yey!!! XOttawahitech (talk) 15:34, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Article name differs from how to be listed in a category[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

The article Bridge Murder case, is about the murder of John Bennett. How do you get the name 'John Bennett' to appear under the B's in the category 'People murdered in Missouri'? Newwhist (talk) 16:40, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Create a WP:REDIRECT titled John Bennett (murder victim) and add a {{DEFAULTSORT}} template and the category to the page. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:04, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
I have just done it, per WP:BOLD. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:14, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
And I have added him to the John Bennett disambiguation page with a link to Bridge Murder case.--ukexpat (talk) 19:21, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
And now merged my entry with the existing one.--ukexpat (talk) 20:11, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

how to get a wikipedia page?[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

I am an author (not self-published) and would like to have a wikipedia page. how do I do this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:09, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

To support an article, there would have to be high-quality published sources giving information about you -- book reviews in national publications, biographical pieces, interviews, etc. Beyond that, it would be much easier to give a concrete answer if you would let us know who you are. Regards, Looie496 (talk) 17:16, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
You can write/suggest an article, based on independent, reliable sources about you, at WP:AFC. Success is not guaranteed, it will depend, in part, on how well you have been covered in independent (from you) media. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:33, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
But you are discouraged from writing an article yourself: see WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. --ColinFine (talk) 23:29, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

content "ping-pong" on article "FTI Consulting"[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

I almost never contribute to wikipedia. When, about a month ago, I read elsewhere about activity of FTI Consulting, I checked the wikipedia page to learn more about this company. The page turned out to be a kind of PR promotional press release. I didn't feel qualified to perform any comprehensive research to make the article less one-sided, so I added a section and paragraph paraphrasing the content (with footnote attribution) of a newspaper article implicating the company in incitement to violent criminal activity in Venezuela with the goal of destabilizing the government there. I did do some googling of the company and did see some other supplemental information about the company, but decided to start slowly - maybe others more qualified than I would pick up the job.

Like I said, I thought this would begin to incrementally balance out the tone of the wikipedia article, but what has been happening is that someone is just deleting my additions.

If the wikipedia staff feel that my additions are inappropriate, so be it; however, if the additions are appropriate, I would appreciate some way to to put a quasi-'lock' in the content. FTI Consulting isn't my life. I have limited motivation to check back and re-edit the page in a game of wikipedia ping-pong. If the other side are paid PR guns of that corporation, I will certainly lose.

Some reasons in favor of the content: 1] makes article less of a one-sided PR press release 2] potential investors and business partners and clients would want to know the nature of the company before getting involved with them 3] public interest to potential victims and bystanders — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:54, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

The place to start a discussion is Talk:FTI Consulting. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:59, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Interestingly, the IP which has been reverting you ( does apparently belong to FTI Consulting, so they would seem to have a conflict of interest. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:03, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Irrelevant to the issue, but just to help you understand things here. What you call "ping-pong" is not unusual, and is known as an "edit war". The side that can support its claims with references, as you have done, generally "wins". And we are all "Wikipedia staff", or rather, editors – David Biddulph, me, you, and even, despite his conflict of interest. Maproom (talk) 22:35, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
to continue the not quite on topic, be aware that just because you have sources, it does not give you the right to keep reverting see WP:3RR. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:17, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
So, you should try to engage with the other user on the article's talk page (use Talkback to draw the attention of the IP user to the fact that you are trying to discuss). If the other party will not engage, or you cannot agree, see Dispute resolution. --ColinFine (talk) 23:34, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello fellow editors. This old Afc submission will soon be deleted under G13, but before letting it go I wanted to check with a Wikiproject because I know nothing about auto racing. Can anyone point me to the right Wikiproject? There doesn't seem to be "Auto racing". —Anne Delong (talk) 18:54, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Try Wikipedia:WikiProject Motorsport. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:04, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Which gives rise to the question whether it would be permissible to create a redirect from Wikipedia:WikiProject Autosport to Wikipedia:WikiProject Motorsport?--ukexpat (talk) 19:35, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Requested Articles (Wikipedia)[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

Where should I place Earthquakes in 2014 in Requested Articles? (talk) 19:49, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

because we do not have crystal balls that tell us anything about earthquakes that have not yet happened, such a request will not be appropriate until reliable sources have written enough about earthquakes to merit a stand alone article. When the reporting has occurred, the place to request the article will be WP:AFC. or actually, as an IP Wikipedia:Requested articles would be the path that would probably work best.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:43, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Actually, TRPoD, the IP knows about Requested Articles, and was asking which section to put it in. The answer is surely Wikipedia:Requested articles/Natural sciences/Environment and geology, but TRPoD is right about waiting until there is reference material available for such an article. --ColinFine (talk) 23:38, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

adding info text box[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

hi there - how do i create an info text box that appears on the upper right corner of many wikipedia pages like this one: ISO/IEC JTC1 that has basic details about the page content/subject, i.e. formation year, type of org, purpose, location, etc.? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ansidotorg (talkcontribs) 19:52, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Those are infoboxes created by templates, in this case {{Infobox organization}}. See the documentation there for assistance.--ukexpat (talk) 20:07, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Judgment Day in the Reference Desk.[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

Where should I put a question about that in the RD? -- (talk) 20:20, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

It depends on the context. For expample, Judgment Day from the Terminator franchise would go on the Entertainment desk. For a literary or bible reference, it would go on the Humanities desk. If you look at WP:RD, it lists the topics for each desk. RudolfRed (talk) 20:44, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Create account link not working for me? -- (talk) 20:32, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Could you elaborate? Are you receiving an error message for example? Samwalton9 (talk) 20:55, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
This particular IP address was recently blocked (but is no longer blocked). I suspect that the attempt to create an account was made during the time when the address was blocked. --TeaDrinker (talk) 21:04, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

"This page can’t be displayed". That's in Internet Explorer, can't access Wikipedia in Mozilla Firefox. -- (talk) 19:03, 5 December 2013 (UTC) TeaDrinker: It has not worked no matter if I was blocked or not. -- (talk) 19:04, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Are you viewing Wikipedia at or Account creation happens at the latter for security reasons. Can you view the latter? PrimeHunter (talk) 01:44, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
I am viewing, and can't view the latter. -- (talk) 10:11, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

How can you update the main title of a wikipedia page? I need to update a page's name but I don't know how to. Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravensrock222 (talkcontribs) 23:21, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

You do that by moving the page. If you click on the small grey arrow just to the left of the search bar at the top of the page, click "move" and enter the new title in the box. ~HueSatLum 23:28, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
But please make sure that the new name conforms to Wikipedia:Article titles. If you're wanting to move it because there was a spelling error, or an organisation has changed its name, that's fine; but if you want to move it because you think the article should use a different form of their name, check the policy I linked to, and probably discuss the move on the article's talk page too, to reach consensus before moving it. --ColinFine (talk) 23:44, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

December 5[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

In editing an article I am trying to insert a table. When clicking on "Table" nothing happens. Am I doing something wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by John K. Landre (talkcontribs) 00:35, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Where are you clicking on "Table"? I don't see that word when editing. See Help:Table for general help. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:22, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Presumably: Advanced → Insert → {table icon}; which yields (for me) a template for inserting a table. I don't know why the poster fails to get results. ~E: (talk) 04:54, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

That is exactly what I am doing: Advanced/Insert/{table icon} but no template for inserting a table opens up. Instead the cursor goes to the top of the page. Any suggestions?


John — Preceding unsigned comment added by John K. Landre (talkcontribs) 18:51, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Since the problem seems to be specific to you, Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) might be a better place to find a solution; however, it is fairly simple to do it manually. (My guess is either a broken toolbar or a browser incompatibility issue). ~E: (talk) 19:22, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
The icon is supposed to make a pop-up box where you can choose the number of rows, columns and other details. What is your browser? Does it work when you log out? Do you have aggressive anti pop-up measures in your browser? PrimeHunter (talk) 01:38, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Category:Vietnam War amphibious warfare vessels of the United States From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia This category is for landing craft and other amphibious warfare vessels designed, built, or operated by the United States during the Vietnam War (approximately 1959–1975).

The USS Boxer LPH-4 also served during the Vietnam War in 1965 and 1966.

It is not listed on this page.

Your assistance would be appriciated by the numerous veterans that served on the ship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:40, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

It appears from USS Boxer (CV-21)#Post-Korea that it was only used as a transport vessel in the Vietnam War. I don't know whether that qualifies for Category:Vietnam War amphibious warfare vessels of the United States. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:56, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Multiple authors in short footnote parenthesis coding[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

So, I'm trying to properly cite the multiple authors to one work. I'm not sure what's going wrong here. Compare Note #19 to #16 or any other one properly formatted. How should I be doing the in-line footnote cites for coding? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 2 Tevet 5774 02:28, 5 December 2013 (UTC) Edit: Also, multiple works by the same authors in the same year, please. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 2 Tevet 5774 03:01, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I've made an edit to User:Flinders Petrie/Tel Kabri to fix some of the errors. Some of your footnote calls were missing "p=" or "pp=", and the citations needed "ref=harv" to make them act as targets for the links. The script User:Gadget850/HarvErrors.js is good for drawing attention to these kinds of error.
To make multiple authors work, you have to list them in the citation templates using the last1/first1/last2/first2... parameters, not in the unformatted "coauthors" parameter; and then list the surnames in the footnote call: {{sfnp|Smith|Jones|Bloggs|2009|pp=19-39}}.
For multiple works in a single year see Template:Sfnp#More than one work in a year. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:04, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks on all counts! Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 2 Tevet 5774 14:10, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Template:Hat Dear Wikipedia Pty Ltd

Your ownership and control bias is blatantly, rediculously obvious

C A R E F U L !!!! You're going the way of other dinosaur Mainstream media in good old USA... Readership numbers through the floor!!

Nobody goes to your site for the truth but just to cross reference the... Official Story!

Hahah... best of luck with that plan — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:01, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

You will be more likely to get a helpful answer if you say what it is you are complaining about. Maproom (talk) 08:57, 5 December 2013 (UTC)


RESUME of page Amir Mir carries some one else's picture[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

Dear Wiki Editor Sunny Tidda can confirm the picture displayed on Amir Mir's page is someone else and not amir Mir, the journalist from Pakistan. his pictures can be googled and found easily, also attaching one sample.

File:Amir mir
amir mir journalist pakistan

many thanks and respond quick please — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunny tidda (talkcontribs) 05:12, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

There is no picture on the page Amir Mir. If you mean the picture that appears when you do a Google search for Amir Mir, then that's a Google function, and nothing to do with Wikipedia. There's a Feedback link under the information box where you can report the error. Rojomoke (talk) 05:59, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Search for a word in articles in category x[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

I'm trying to search for all articles with the word android in the category real time strategy games. I use this search word/url - but it doesn't list rymdkapsel which i know is in the strategy game. Why not? Or more preferably how can I use correct syntax? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:06, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

The "German chemists" example at Help:Searching has the "incategory" term last, so I tried your search the other way round. The first attempt timed out, and the second returned 17 results including Rymdkapsel. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:41, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

list of Florida Islands[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

Hi. I'm new to editing. Added three islands to list of Florida Islands giving reference as The Jacksonville Beach Historical Society. I had planned to add more to the list as there are many to add. I am unsure what I did wrong as within minutes the page was reverted without any explanation given. Is the reference insufficient? Should I have cited maps? I followed the same format. thank you, JamieIames (talk) 09:33, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

You added an unnamed 37-mile barrier island, without a valid reference. You did add a reference, but it was to a society, not to a published work. And your reference was not visible in the list, because List of islands of Florida currently has no {{reflist}}. You also accidentally added your Wikipedia signature to the end of the mention of Boot Island. Maproom (talk) 13:28, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, got ya. So, are islands to be listed without references on this page? If want to add the unnamed island should a ref list feature be added to page or is that messing with intent of page? Use a published map to reference islands if referencing required? Yep, don't know what I did to put name on Boot Island. Thanks again, JamieIames (talk) 19:49, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I think that intention of the list is for it to be like a disambiguation page, or a list of "notable citizens" at the end of an article about a city: it should only list islands that are notable enough that Wikipedia already has an article about them, so no reference is needed. But some over-enthusiastic editors had already added "redlinked" islands to it, with their names in double-square-brackets but no corresponding articles about those islands.
If you believe that the 37-mile barrier island ought to be listed on the page, it is rather different from wanting to add a small non-notable island. I assume that there is some question about whether it really constitutes an island. I would consider adding it to the article with a footnote justifying its "island" status (enclosed in <ref> tags like a citation, but leading to a footnote rather than to an external source), or discussing it on the article's talk page before doing anything. Maproom (talk) 21:59, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Why can't I edit some pages?[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

Why cant I update some pages? There is no edit box. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zewix (talkcontribs) 10:41, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

The pages may be protected so that only autoconfirmed users can edit them. Without knowing which pages you refer to, it's hard to say - but that's the most likely explanation. See here for a bit of help. I've also added a welcome template to your userpage which provides other helpful links. Chaheel Riens (talk) 10:49, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
If there is no "edit" link then the page is probably protected and you can click the "View source" tab to get an explanation and make a suggestion. Or do you literally mean there is no edit box when you click edit? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:32, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

The content of PeopleStrong Page along with the Icon used needs updation. Please let us know the procedure of the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PeopleStrong (talkcontribs) 11:08, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

What that page needs most is references to reliable published sources. It currently has none. While it has none, it is likely to be deleted. To add some, and to make other updates, you go to the page and click the "edit" tab at the top; but you should not do this if, as your username suggests, you are a person connected with PeopleStrong. If you are a connected person, you should go to the article's talk page, and describe there the changes that you recommend. Maproom (talk) 13:34, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Article about a controversial topic[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

Dear editors:

While checking through the old G13 eligible submissions from 2012 at Afc, I found the following: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Sudhir Gopi. It looked as though it just needed a little more referenced info to be accepted, so I did a search and found this, this and this. Well, the subject and his company certainly have been written about now. My question is, should I let this article be deleted, or add this information and submit it to Afc? —Anne Delong (talk) 13:02, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I would added the references, and some statements of what they say, and leave it to others to decide on creation. Maproom (talk) 13:57, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Anne, feel free to be WP:Bold. If you think a G13 eligible AfC submission should be moved to article space, then just do it. Moving it to article space mean that it will have been edited in six months, so G13 no longer applies (also, I don't think there is policy against do in this). I would just add the information and move the page to article space if I thought the topic met WP:N. -- Jreferee (talk) 15:41, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I understand how Afc works, and I've moved many articles into mainspace from Afc. My question was more about the notability of a subject who was not considered sufficiently notable before his company was discredited and he was deported. Does that make him more or less notable? It rather discredits some of the information in the older sources. —Anne Delong (talk) 15:58, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Help with creating an article, it's been rejected four times.[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

Good morning...I am in need of some assistance and understanding. I was directed to seek help here.

My colleagues and I have submitted an article for review 4 times now, rejected each time. The most recent feedback is suggested that "The references do not adequately evidence the subject's notability" and that we have not "used reliable sources, such as mainstream press publications." When in fact that's all we have is magazine, newspaper and similar references. We have 18 references, all from bona fide, independent places. The feedback is saying that it's not verifiable, which I can't understand.

Well, I am not sure how we can impact this. Because as they say, the references are what they are. We can't change them. This isn't a matter of word-smithing at this point. It's a matter of they just don't think our sources are credible.

Here is the article and feedback in question: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/New Heights Educational Group, Inc Resource and Literacy Center

Please provide us guidance. Ideally, I'd love to actually talk to someone about this on the phone, so I can dialogue and ask questions. But, an email response at minimum would be great.

Thank you for your consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:20, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

The article needs reliable independent references that establish its subject's notablity. It currently has 19 references. I checked the first five of these. The first four confirm that it exists, but not that it is notable. The fifth (to the organisation's own domain, which is not independent) gave a 404, casting doubt on its continuing existence. I did not bother to check the rest. If there are references in there somewhere that do confirm the organisation's notability, I suggest you keep these and delete the rest. That way, editors will be more easily able to find the ones that matter. Maproom (talk) 13:49, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
"We have 18 references, all from bona fide, independent places." Really? References 5, 7, and 8 are from[༢] How is independent from New Heights Educational Group? How many times have you been told that you need to write the article from Wikipedia reliable sources? Yet, the standard you want to apply is "bona fide" and "think our sources are credible." You link to websites without concern as to whether they meet Wikipedia Reliable Source standards. If you limit your sources to print newspaper, books, and magazines, you will avoid many of the issues you now are facing. The Journal Gazette has some source material."New%20Heights%20Educational%20Group"&p_field_advanced-0=&p_text_advanced-0=("New%20Heights%20Educational%20Group")&xcal_numdocs=20&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&xcal_useweights=no as does the Dayton Business Journal[༣] and The Toledo Blade.[༤] The organization has been around since 2006, but the news reports only start as of 2012. Why was there no independent reliable source coverage for the organization first six years? The services subsection needs to be removed. The history section is on the right track. The prose describing the awards should be part of the history section. Get rid of that New Heights Educational Group: Summary table and instead use Template:Infobox non-profit. Your lead need not have any references (see WP:LEAD). Your references should be put in Template:Citation. The poor formatted footnotes makes it difficult for reviewers to consider your request and hides whether the source is reliable or not. -- Jreferee (talk) 15:30, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

My organization's old logo is on my Wikipedia page. I can delete it, but I do not see a way to insert the new logo. Please explain how to insert the new logo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brnow1833 (talkcontribs) 14:13, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

The new logo must be uploaded by an autoconfirmed user. I will do it. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:27, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
I have uploaded File:Biblical Recorder logo.jpg and added it to Biblical Recorder. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:40, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brnow1833 (talkcontribs) 15:49, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Can't log in to main account[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

I am unable to log in to my primary account, User:Smartyllama. My password does not work and the forgot password link isn't working either. It won't send the email. Eventually I logged in on this account, which I used to use to edit from public computers. But I want to get back on my main one. Dumbyllama (talk) 15:11, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

User:Smartyllama has stored an email address so it should be possible to send an email with a new password at Special:PasswordReset. What exactly do you mean by "It won't send the email"? Do you get a message indicating the mail cannot be sent, or do you just not receive the mail? See Help:Logging in for general help. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:21, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
I did not receive the email. But I'm not sure I used the email address associated with the account, and it won't let me try another one for 24 hours. Dumbyllama (talk) 15:30, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Email was sent to an email I no longer use which is supposed to forward to my current one but didn't. Smartyllama (talk) 15:36, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

translation on other wiki sites[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

Hello there

I work for a company and we already have an article on the german wiki in german. I would like to have the article on the Uk/USA wiki as well. The english translation is done. Please advise on how to proceed? Many thanks Anne78.147.150.142 (talk) 15:54, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

first: read our conflict of interest policy
second: ensure that your company meets the basic requirements of having a stand alone article about it
third: submit your idea to the Wikipedia:Requested articles process. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 16:04, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Dear Help Desk:

I'm Dr. Lewis' attorney and am assiting her in editing her Wikipedia page. Im trying to contact Sighola2 who appears to be doing most of the editing of her page and who changed the recent edits Dr. Lewis wanted made on the page.

How do I go about doing that?

Cynthia W. Sheppard — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cynthia W. Sheppard (talkcontribs) 17:40, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Your starting point is to read Wikipedia's guidance on editing where there is a conflict of interest. After that the place to comment on changes is the article's talk page. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:52, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Template:Reply to You appear to have found the article's edit history, since you identified Sighola2 as a contributor. Next to Sighola2's name (and all editors' names) is a "Talk" link. Click that and you will be taken to the user's talk page. That said, please note that the article about Dorothy Otnow Lewis does not belong to Dorothy Otnow Lewis, it belongs to the Wikipedia community. So any edit Lewis "wanted" made can legitimately be changed by another user, provided that the user is editing according to our basic expectations of neutrality, the use of reliable independent sources and the exclusion of original research. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:53, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
I'd like to reinforce Cyphoidbomb's post by pointing out that Dorothy Otnow Lewis has no rights at all with respect to controlling the content of the article. Lewis can however claim the protections specified by the Biographies of living people policy, which is strictly enforceable. All text and most images are subject to the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License, the exception are imaged used in terms of the WP:Fair use principles, however such images are practically never used in articles about living people. Any legal disputes that may arise between any person and the Wikimedia Foundation (the owner of Wikipedia) are subject to the laws of the State of Florida, as that is the home state of the Wikimedia Foundation. Please note that if a legal dispute does arise, all parties involved in the dispute are prohibited from editing Wikipedia until the dispute is resolved. In terms of the No legal threats policy, threatening, or even implying a threat of, legal action in any post on Wikipedia results in the user posting such a threat being blocked until the issue is resolved. That all being said, I hope you have a pleasant experience here. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:47, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Using a forum as a "Reliable" Source[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

My understanding is that citing a forum as a credible source is not allowed on Wikipedia. In multiple (multiple) attempts to address this on K&N Engineering, Inc.‎

Using the “Talk” page – reaching out to “editors” – “Edit”ing the page & including my reasoning – Even leaving a Criticism section/sentence but adding [citation needed] – And when that didn't work I added the Template:Disputed-section - I have been met with hostility and resistance from a couple of individuals.

I am now being told a Third Opinion (3O) has weighed in & the Forum citation is okay – so I best accept this.

When only a few weeks earlier a Third Opinion weighed in & said that Forums are NOT okay – better to list the [citation needed] reference until a legitimate source could be listed.

Based on the Wikipedia Rules/Guidelines it says: "Self-published sources (online and paper) Shortcuts: WP:USERGENERATED WP:USERG WP:UGC Main page: WP:SPS Anyone can create a personal web page or publish their own book, and also claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason self-published media—whether books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, blogs, personal pages on social networking sites, Internet forum postings, or tweets—are largely not acceptable. This includes any website whose content is largely user-generated, including the Internet Movie Database (IMDB),, collaboratively created websites such as wikis, and so forth, with the exception of material on such sites that is labeled as originating from credentialed members of the sites' editorial staff, rather than users. "Blogs" in this context refers to personal and group blogs. Some news outlets host interactive columns they call blogs, and these may be acceptable as sources so long as the writers are professional journalists or are professionals in the field on which they write and the blog is subject to the news outlet's full editorial control. Posts left by readers may never be used as sources; see WP:NEWSBLOG. Self-published material may sometimes be acceptable when its author is an established expert whose work in the relevant field has been published by reliable third-party publications. Self-published information should never be used as a source about a living person, even if the author is a well-known professional researcher or writer; see WP:BLP#Reliable sources."

I would be really grateful for some assistance with this situation. Thank you. (talk) 18:18, 5 December 2013 (UTC)mgooldrindge

The best place to ask about this might be Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. However, looking at the article, it seems to me that there is a more fundamental problem - the source is being cited for something it doesn't say. I've left a comment about this at Talk:K&N Engineering, Inc. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:10, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Opinion questions in the Reference Desk.[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

Are they allowed? Seems my so-named "opinion request" in the RD has been locked. But that Judgment Day question wasn't a request for opinions, it was a request for facts. -- (talk) 19:09, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

No. As it clearly states at the top of each reference desk "We don't answer requests for opinions, predictions or debate". AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:12, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
If you are actively seeking religious/spiritual guidance you should go to your personal religious/spiritual advisers. Seeking such type of help from anonymous yahoos on the interwebs will provide much in the way of humor and/or misguided /completely off the wall advice, but little of any practical value.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:16, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
But that Judgment Day question wasn't a request for opinions, it was a request for facts. -- (talk) 10:06, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Why do I get the impression we are being trolled here?--ukexpat (talk) 15:09, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
I don't know. Edit: Oh, because you think I wrote the same text superflous? I just wanted to include it in the question too, wrote it at the end of the section and at the start in the same edit, IIRC. Also, I have concentration issues, so you might see unintended trolling/errors. -- (talk) 20:40, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Page to discuss application of NFCC[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

Is there a talk page used to discuss the application of WP:NFCC? Specifically, I'm wondering under what conditions is it permissible to replace a copyrighted photo of a deceased person with another (better) copyrighted photo. --NeilN talk to me 19:22, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

The goal is to have a free publication, and if we have a free use image, in almost all cases we should continue to use that rather than swap to a non free image. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:49, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, but that's not what I'm asking. My question was about two copyrighted photos. --NeilN talk to me 19:54, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
d'oh! -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:56, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
WP:CQ perhaps? CaptRik (talk) 20:05, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Yep, thanks! --NeilN talk to me 20:09, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Error code of sort in an addition I made[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

I received this after making an edit: "There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them", and I do not know what to do make it right. Please help. Matt<ref></ref> — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthewklunis (talkcontribs) 19:36, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I added some markup above so your comment displays properly.
I have also removed your edit from the article because you did not actually supply a reliable source that supports the content
You can find out more information about citations and how the citation mark ups work at WP:CITE. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:41, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
More specifically, your edit introduces some of the markup "ref tags", which come in pairs, an open ref tag and a close ref tag. In between the ref tags, you will need to include the information about your source (at minimum, a url to a reliably published source, but preferably all the citation information possible: Author, Title, Publisher, Publish date etc.) However, you had not included anything between the tags and so the markup reader sensed that and gave you the warning. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:47, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi! The company I work with owns the trademarked name "Max Muscle" we would like the article that Wikipedia pulls to be about our company rather then the article that is currently existing on this link. We have an article that is currently being reviewed with the title "Max Muscle Sports Nutrition". Please advise, we appreciate your time!

Max Muscle


Sorry, no, Wikipedia isn't interested in helping you to promote your company. The subject at Max Muscle is notable while your article is unlikely to be approved as you have provided no third-party sources showing it's notable. --NeilN talk to me 20:26, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
(e/c) Whenever there are more than one possible subjects for a particular term, we follow our Wikipedia:Disambiguation process. In this instance, I strongly suspect that the stage name of the wrestler is by far the most likely subject that readers will be looking for when they enter Max Muscle into the search engine and so that will remain the main article. When/If the article you have submitted is approved, then some form of the disambiguation options may be applied. Probably a WP:HATNOTE at the top of the current article that would offer the option This is the article about the wrestler who uses the name Max Muscle. For the sports nutrition company, see Max Muscle Sports Nutrition -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:27, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

someone help me stop the a wholes stuffing up my page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Savagealex1 (talkcontribs) 20:23, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Savagealex1 has been indeffed by admins. Case closed. Next question. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:41, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Where do I get the amounts for the masterclense — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:33, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Template:Astray Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:56, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

What is the correct keyboard shortcut to save page immediately ? Smjerś (talk) 21:31, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Template:Ping The shortcut for that is Template:Key press Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 21:34, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Thank you ! --Smjerś (talk) 21:40, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Or it could be Control S, or Control Shift S, or Control Option S or.... It depends what browser you are using - see Wikipedia:Keyboard shortcuts for the full explanation.Arjayay (talk) 22:14, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Can you please write about this man as there is a significant impact that he has createed on the economy of India.


Vicky — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:43, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

An article Jayaram Banan can be requested at WP:RA. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:51, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

hi I have been trying to insert an inbox in one article named renaissance Luzolo, I followed all the instructions but nothing is working. could you please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fusluzolo (talkcontribs) 22:04, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Could you be more specific about what article you're referring to? I can't find anything related to renaissance Luzolo through searches here or on Google. And this question is your only edit, so I can't even check your contributions. Maybe WP:INFOBOX will help you but beyond that, I think you're going to have to at least give us the name of the article that you're working on. Dismas|(talk) 22:18, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
I wonder if this question is about the article Luzio Luzi. There was a failed attempt to add an infobox to it last May January. Maproom (talk) 22:21, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
The Google search Template:Google finds a Facebook page by that name: This is a help desk for the Encyclopedia Wikipedia. We are not associated with Facebook. If you are trying to make a Wikipedia article about the subject of the Facebook group then it shows no signs of satisfying our requirements at Wikipedia:Notability, Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) or Wikipedia:Notability (web). PrimeHunter (talk) 01:25, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

December 6[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]


This might not be the correct forum for this issue but I couldn't find another one. Anyway, I tried donating $50 to wikipedia and it said the transaction could not be processed. I tried 3 more times and got the same result. However, I just went on my online bank account and it lists all of these attempts as "pending debits". I don't know if they will be rejected at the other end, but at any rate I only want to make the original donations and I would like all the subsequent ones to be canceled. Who should I contact about this?

Thanks, David — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:26, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

This help desk is manned by volunteer editors who don't work for the Wikimedia Foundation and don't have access to donation data. I don't have inside knowledge but clicking "I received an error message, but I still see a charge on my credit/debit card" at wmf:Problems donating/en displays: "If you received an error message stating that your transaction could not be accepted, your donation was not processed or accepted by the Wikimedia Foundation. A charge may show up on your card, held by your bank, as this is standard operating procedure for any online transaction. Your bank will release these funds in about 3-5 business days, depending upon their rules and regulations. If you would like to attempt a donation again, please visit our ways to give page for a full range of options." I don't know whether it's relevant in your case but see also wmf:FAQ/en#What is your refund policy? PrimeHunter (talk) 04:01, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

when and how can I insert a picture into the content I'm editting?[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

when and how can I insert a picture into the content I'm editting?Grace Xiao (talk) 03:27, 6 December 2013 (UTC)Veking Heavy Industries

Add [[File:anythingyouwant.extension|thumb]]. You can fill out the information with any file on Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons. For instance, [[File:Jelly cc11.jpg|thumb]] produces:

You can add other things as well. [[File:Jelly cc11.jpg|thumb|left]] places the image on the left, [[File:Jelly cc11.jpg|thumb|A jellyfish]] adds a description, and [[File:Jelly cc11.jpg|thumb|250px]] specifies the size of your image. --T H F S W (T · C · E) 04:19, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
you can read the tutorial here Wikipedia:Picture tutorial. You should also be aware of the policies about WP:COPYRIGHT. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 04:31, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Order a remote control[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

I need to order a remote control for my radio CD player. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:58, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.Template:Z25 PrimeHunter (talk) 04:03, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

A1 song Page Deletion[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

How to delete the page A1 song? — Preceding unsigned comment added by A1natics (talkcontribs) 05:16, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

it has already been deleted. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 05:28, 6 December 2013 (UTC)


my information page is absolutely missing , kindly revert on the same . Amrita Sengupta — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:06, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

As far as I can see, there has never been a page called Amrita Sengupta on the English Wikipedia. Rojomoke (talk) 06:17, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Publication in Company News Magazine, 1966[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

I am working on a biography to be posted in the Wikipedia in the near future. In this biography, I would like to refer a published company news magazine article dated Dec 1966. There is no way any reader will be able find that article as the company no longer exist. Is it ok to attach the article in .pdf as a part of reference in the biography? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Morahim (talkcontribs) 07:06, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

while there may be a way, doing so would be a violation of copyright and it would be removed. Neither the verifiability policy nor the guidelines on reliable sources require on-line accessibility of sources, merely the appropriate citations. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 07:42, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
When you cite that source, be sure to include as much information as possible - the author or the article, the title, the name of the publisher, the name of the magazine, the date of publication and the place of publication if possible. Also be sure to use an inline citation so that the readers can see what information the magazine article is supporting. That's the best you can do. One day the copyright holder may put the news magazine issues on line, and if that happens a link can be added. —Anne Delong (talk) 07:56, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Two more things to consider are if this is an internal company magazine, it may not meet the criteria as a reliably published source as such productions have as their primary purpose promoting the company and not facts. And if the subject of the article is/was an employee of the company, the magazine will not be suitable for establishing the notability of the subject since the publication and the subject are not independent of each other. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 14:07, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Where should I place questions about the Bible? AND, where should I place a question about which Bible/Bible version Harold Camping uses/used? -- (talk) 09:57, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

About what is in the Bible? Probably Humanities. As for which Camping uses, probably Misc. Dismas|(talk) 10:46, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
About why the best version is KJV/what Bible version is best. -- (talk) 20:45, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
The best version would be 100% a matter of opinion. CTF83! 20:48, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
The "best" version would be whatever is as close as one can get to the original texts - in Hebrew, Greek, etc. But unless one speaks or at least can read those texts, they have to settle for a translation. And I've not heard many modern scholars argue that the KJV is the "best" translation. In fact, as I recall, the KJV was taken from the Latin version - so it was filtered twice. However, it's highly regarded for the way it reads, even if not necessarily for the accuracy of its translation. So the term "best" is too vaguely defined to make such a question valid for the ref desk. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:46, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
The KJV was translated from the Hebrew and the Greek, not from the Vulgate. The Douay Version, an early Catholic version, was translated from the Vulgate. Criticisms of the KJV do not have to do with it having been translated twice, but rather with improvements in the quality of the texts of the original versions in the past four centuries and improvements in the scholarship used in support of good translation. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:54, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
No, there are those who know that KJV is best. -- (talk) 20:18, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Do you have a question or comment about improving any particular article? If so, any questions can go on the appropriate article talk page. General discussion that is not applicable to articles is not necessary. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:54, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Maria Esperanza de Bianchini[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

ESta organozacion es una presunta estafa que se esta investigando y hay miembros de esta socidad que estan en busca y captura por estafa de 1,000 0000.00 de euros todo lo referente a esta organizacion es un montaje para blanquear dinero tienen dos organizaciones y varias cuentas de bancos

saludos — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:03, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

You should read WP:COI. Your request is probably best handled at WP:RA -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:32, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Template:Distinguish in Dutch???[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]


Can anybody tell me which is the Template:Distinguish for Dutch language? Template:Onderscheid does not work (it says Er bestaat nog geen sjabloon met de naam "Sjabloon:Onderscheid"), and there is no Dutch language option for this template in the main article. Thanks in advance!Olga Radchuk (talk) 11:38, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Different languages have different practices and templates so there is often no direct equivalent. Maybe nl:Sjabloon:Zie artikel or another at nl:Categorie:Wikipedia:Sjablonen doorverwijzing works for your purpose. Or look for help at nl:Help:Doorverwijzen. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:20, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Barton–Zard synthesis link problems[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

Hello again ! I was wondering why Barton–Zard synthesis copied-and-pasted goes to the right page, but Barton-Zard synthesis doesn't ? They look the same to me. --Smjerś (talk) 12:20, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

They look different to me. Barton–Zard has a longer hyphen (or whatever it is) than Barton-Zard. Maproom (talk) 12:30, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
I've now created a redirect for the latter, on the assumption that the former (with a dash rather than a hyphen) is the correct way of rendering it.--Shantavira|feed me 13:26, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. How do I type the longer dash ? --Smjerś (talk) 15:07, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
I usually use ALT-0150 but you can also copy-paste it (sometimes that's quicker) or select it from the symbol set above the edit pane. The en-dash (rather than the em-dash) is normally the one to use.--Shantavira|feed me 15:28, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Image in Squaresville[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

Hi, I've added images to the site before, and it's always been a fairly trivial process, but for some reason, I can't seem to get the image I've added to squaresville to display. What am I doing wrong?

Roguebluejay (talk) 14:21, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

You had ":File:" instead of "File:". The initial colon tells the software to display a link to the image page instead of displaying the image itself. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:36, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
I have uploaded a smaller version of the file to comply with the requirements of WP:NFCC.--ukexpat (talk) 15:07, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Dear sir

I'm writing this to you to complain about deletion of this article. Poramadulla Central College We created that article about a school,and of course it's funded by government. So we didn't create it for advertising or something like that. We just wanted to let the people know about our school. Because in Sri Lanka many other schools have article about them. So please think another once about your decision and kindly consider about restoring our article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:31, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Intention doesn't really matter, it is the tone that is important. However, We just wanted to let the people know about our school is promotion even though it may not be commercial advertising. You can request undeletion at WP:REFUND if you wish, but I doubt you will be successful.--ukexpat (talk) 14:57, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
We try very hard to have articles about all colleges and secondary schools out there; but the article that was here was hopelessly promotional, and a fat chunk of it was not even in English. I can't even go to the website (which is a .com, not a .edu) to get information for a sound article start, because my computer says it contains malware of some kind. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:13, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
I checked out the website and it seems legit. I started making my own article on Poramadulla Central College. Hopefully this should help clear confusion on what these articles should look like. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:18, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

What does Futil mean — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:31, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

"Futile" means something that won't work. An action is futile if it has no chance of producing the intended result. Looie496 (talk) 16:18, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
See also wiktionary:futile in our sister project, a dictionary. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:03, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Describing sexual preferences[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

Often when looking up info on people, I'll see where Wikipedia says " openly gay" Yet I've not seen one situation where Wikipedia says " openly heterosexual". Why the difference? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:44, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

It depends on what reliable sources say about people. See, WP:V, WP:BLP and WP:Notability. Alanscottwalker (talk) 16:07, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Well, heterosexuality is the default, so it doesn't usually need to be stated explicitly. Looie496 (talk) 16:20, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

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If you are a straight white male, you have nothing to be proud of and it shouldn't be mentioned. If you point out the fact that you are any of those things, you are homophobic, racist, and sexist. Just stay quiet. It's not worth arguing around here. --Onorem (talk) 16:25, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
My sarcasm detector is off the charts.
Seriously though, take off the tin-foil hat. There's no liberal conspiracy round here. — Richard BB 16:35, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
I was obviously exaggerating, but in general stand by what I said...and look, now it's hatted. --Onorem (talk) 16:41, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
So much for "men without hats". If you stop and think about it, being "proud" of anything you had nothing to do with, such as your genetics, is rather silly. And if you buy into the notion that sexual orientation is genetic, then being "proud" (or for that matter "not proud") makes about as much logical sense as being proud of being right-handed (or left-handed). ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:41, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

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Template:Reply to Having looked at few examples of " openly gay", I'd say that there are many instances where the phrase "openly gay" probably doesn't belong in the article's lead sentence any more than Marilyn Monroe's hair color or bust measurement would belong in her lead sentence. However, if the person's sexuality received media attention, or if the person achieved some notoriety for being the first openly gay US President, (for example), that might be worthy of note, in the same way that we note Valentina Tereshkova was the first woman in space. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:50, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
being "openly heterosexual" is rarely, if ever, an important aspect of someones importance, notability or public reaction/reception. being "openly gay" can frequently be an important aspect, although it is likely only in fairly rare occasions to be important enough to be mentioned in the lead. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:59, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
I would say that there are a *few* places where heterosexuality would be of interest enough to be mentioned, in situations where the assumption would be that they aren't heterosexual. The first few that would come to mind is a heterosexual male professional drag queen (say a RuPaul's Drag Race Contestant) or someone whose notability was that they were president of a Gay/Lesbian focused Political Action Committee (say Gay and Lesbian Activists Alliance) or something similar.Naraht (talk) 22:14, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Ah, a good point! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 01:18, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Some politicians run as openly heterosexual, but they were usually third place finishers who do not have Wikipedia articles so such information can't make its way into Wikipedia. Opinion writers also use "openly heterosexual" to characterize others, which usually is not sufficient to use in Wikipedia. (This is an interesting use of the term). One relevant usage to "openly heterosexual" now is in the Lou Reed article. -- Jreferee (talk) 21:21, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Checking Wikipedia:Notability (academics) for Issei Tanaka (田仲一成)[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

How do I check the Wikipedia:Notability (academics) for Issei Tanaka (ja:田仲一成)? (Often articles mentioning him state his name as "Tanaka Issei"). Should I do Google Scholar? What level of hits would show his notability? WhisperToMe (talk) 16:56, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Notability (music)[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

I want to say this dont apply all country. And it not fair that everyone had to be like MJ so notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shujuan5210 (talkcontribs) 20:38, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Michael Jackson's concert is an example of notability. It doesn't say everyone has to be like that. CTF83! 20:41, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

December 7[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

Uploading images which have been in public domain for a few decades[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

I have been involved in editing F. G. Natesa Iyer, and have uploaded a few of his images to wikipedia. These images have been widely used in India by publications related to classical music and dance - SRUTI,(Issue 330, March 2012) and Sangeet Natak Akademi journal( XLII, NUMBER 4, 2008). FG Natesa Iyer is a public domain figure for South India, and perhaps for India as well. Recently an image used in the infobox has been tagged as possibly unfree (File:F. G. Natesa Iyer image.jpg). Other images in theatrical roles, taken possibly around 100 years ago, have been deleted. Any way to reinsert these files, back to wikipedia, make it a part of commons and a part of this article? -- Anant (talk) 00:53, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

The discussion for File:F. G. Natesa Iyer image.jpg is here. For a different image, Stefan2 notes further down on that PUF page, "Unclear copyright status: both tagged as being from India and from Pakistan. If it was first published in India, then it is unfree in the United States as it wasn't published before 1941. If it was first published in Pakistan, then we need evidence that this publication took place before 1946." Stefan2 probably is the best person to help guide you on how to get these images back into Wikipedia (if possible). -- Jreferee (talk) 20:53, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

repeated external links[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

I have been methodically adding links from wikipedia pages of a geographic nature to pages on my site that contain 360° panoramas of that location. I have been warned that this might be considered spamming.

I believe these links add value to the wikipedia articles by illustrating in a uniquely impartial manner the reality of the location.

The pages I am linking to (i.e. on my site do not contain rich media, only thumbnails in png format, and links to jpeg and Flash versions of the panoramas. These are stable and easily understandable urls. For example the Wikipedia page on Fort Point (,_San_Francisco) links to

All my links are being added in the External Links section. I am notating each page to which I have added a link with the comment "added link to".

Although my site contains Google Adsense and other advertising, it is not really a commercial site. My intent is to illustrate landscapes and places throughout western North America. There are over 10,000 panoramas currently on the site, all taken by myself.

I hope this will explain to everyone's satisfaction that my intent is not to spam, but to enhance Wikipedia with links to these unique images.

How may I be assured that my site will not be blacklisted because of these external links? — Preceding unsigned comment added by G. Donald Bain (talkcontribs) 02:15, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

I would not attempt to reassure you at all. Mass spamming of links to your personal web page is in fact likely to get your site black listed or you blocked. You should go to each article's talk page and make the suggestion to add the link and then wait for a positive consensus of other editors to form an agreement that the link actually does meet the criteria for an external link for that particular article.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 02:36, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Template:Reply to Seems like a kind and thoughtful gesture. Have you considered relinquishing your copyright to the creative commons, so that Wikipedians could use your work free and clear? That would be a more pro-active way to contribute while avoiding any accusations of promotional intentions or spam, although I'd have to defer to my fellow editors for instructions on how to make such a contribution. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:40, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
the details for donating works are Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. Its pretty easy, just upload it to Commons with an appropriate free use license. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:03, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks TRPoD! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:57, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Dear Sir, Please provide an article about Mr. Ramar Pillai who is supposed to the founder of Ramer Petroleum from Tamilnadu state India since 1996. I searched about him Wiki but unfortunately there is no such document related with him.

Thanks and Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:49, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

The place to ask is at Wikipedia:Requested articles Rojomoke (talk) 12:25, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

new edits added to badfinger ( joey molland 1983 badfinger).[རྩོམ་སྒྲིག]

to anyone who can help me, 

i tried to correct the information about band members in joey mollands 1983 badfinger band and can't get the new info to line up with the old info. if someone knows how to properly insert the new info , please do it. thank you. for confirmation of the new info go to tom brennens badfinger library and look for the 1981-1983 tours, a tale of two badfingers. for joeys 1983 badfinger tour members, pictures and newspaper articles are available to verify the info i tried to add on Wikipedia. thank you, bumper 53 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bumper53 (talkcontribs) 11:38, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

i reverted back to before the table was broken, but I dont really understand what you had intended so i cannot update the info. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:30, 7 December 2013 (UTC)